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#1 digga

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:00 pm

 hi  

after some  opinions  and advice  have done a search on here and seen a few threads on simular question  but didnt  wan to hijack anyone elses post .

normally prefer to do a job per metre or  by the job  but got a customer insisting  on hourly rate :-(  job consists of  patching and new fences and gates. no tractor or thumper to allow for on this one .  but all my other fencing tools and experience  to be used  . and the cutting back  and clearing work. would involve me supplying and using my own  ppe ,fuel, chainsaw , and polesaw   have my chainsaw ticket and carry my own public liability insurance .

 

when i mentioned £18.50 per hour  for the fencing work 

and £22 for chainsaw clearing work   you would have thought i was robbing them  with how they reacted .  i would of thought £18.50 was a bit  cheap per hour as i know  a local gardener who is on £17 per hour and only tools he supplies is a pair of secateurs . are my rates really that far out ? or am i in the right ballpark  . 

 

thanks in adavance 



#2 premnayloon

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 04:19 pm

ah , now i bet the local tree surgeons ( ie a gardner that owns a chainsaw) would be a lot dearer than that for chainsaw work. its hard work chainsawing and you have ticket you say that costs £3000 + to gain,  are you removing the hag or leaving on site? 

 

i know its not ideal to price hourly as folk always think you are taking the ****, but i always find that a repair / patching always throws up more unforseen problems than originally thought.

obviously differing rates for different parts of the country,

 

what does the new fence work entail, ? chapping with the slave / maul. re using old wire, stripping down old fence?  i think you are very cheap at that, get the customer to ask a Tree surgeon/ landscape gardner/ fencer as they appear to pass themselves off as all three professions for thier price, 

 

 

and see what spec of fecne they intend to put up, the manufacturer of the materials,  see if they use thier ' expertise' in thier numerous chosen fields to allow for pressure points of livestock for livestock behaviour, most of them have never stood in a field of cattle sheep let alone worked with them  or offer insight into how they behave and react , 

OR do what everyone else is doing now to justify high prices , just blame Brexit , appears to work for everyone else.

 

hope thats of help.



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:55 pm

thanks for the reply  chainsaw  and pole saw clearing work involves  cutting back to be able to fence to boundary and trim up high enough to allow them to  be able to drive a tractor along side the fence for topping the grass.

 fencing work will involve some patching work  including old  gateposts  to be dug out and replaced old posts have been concreted in . new gates to put in from a fresh posts to be concreted in so will dry mix them . some old fencing to be stripped out for new fence to go up .as the fence is mainly for cattle have adviced  them (hope they listen )   to use 6ft posts instead of 5ft6 . 2.5m spacing  8ft strainers  40mm barbed staples and either tornado r8/80/15 or x fence   netting with 2 strands of ht barbed wire above 

some cleft post and rail to go in to i think .

some of it will all be hand work  but they  told me they have the use of a basic post thumper  so dont want me to allow  for thumper .

but   as i said will be using all my other  fencing tools  and own chainsaw and fuel and ppe



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:04 pm

As in basic thumper does that mean a permiter type thing?
Digging out old conveyed in gate posts . that's bloody hard work.
I use 5ft 6 posts for cattle with no issues or complaints.
6 ft for drove roads. Or wet bits water troughs.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:50 pm

they just said  a basic post thumper  so guessing there borrowing it and  will be basic like the old parminters  got the feeling from looking around there would be a fair bit of stock pressure on fences  so suggested  6ft posts .  is £18.50 a hour really that expensive for a experinced guy with his own tools and insurance?  i wouldnt of thought £20 per hour was  to much . seem to be working harder these days for less reward 



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:15 pm

£20 seems reasonable to me to cover your fuel. Time. Wear and tear of tools.
Ofcourse without being cheeky if you can give a list if regular satisfied customers then that will help too

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:32 am

Well two of my existing
customers recommended me to them but there work is price work not hourly

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 03:41 pm

Get I writing agreement to hourly rate
I hate hourly work it can cause too many disagreement yoy know you could spend a day and do one strainer
Or do 200 mtrs so many variables that customer often fail to understand
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:27 pm

Couldnt you take somone with you, 2 for £30/hr might sound better, pay labourer £10-£12/hr leaving you at £18-£20/hr?
Your prices sound reasonable enough to me.

What are people charging per hour for domestic fencing?
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:59 pm

I agree they do seem reasonable. Clearing and repair jobs can be a right pain. Especially if posts have been concreted in. If it was easy and they have access to a post driver they would do it themselves ! That's why they called you in. They want your expertise, tools and hard work. If you are happy with those rates stick to your guns. If they don't want to pay it get someone else. They will be working hard for no reward. I personally think they are the cheap side of reasonable.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:12 pm

Sounds like you want/need the work? your prices sounds far too cheap to me. Id want more like £25-30/hour without knocker but then I wouldn't go without my machine so I would charge even more.

 

Also sounds like their trying to dictate to save cost and I would probably walk away from the job  


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#12 digga

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:55 pm

thanks for all the advice and replies guys  not that desperate for the work  but not use to pricing by the hour dont want to work to cheap just would like  a fair rate 



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Posted 20 June 2017 - 03:40 am

Sounds like you want/need the work? your prices sounds far too cheap to me. Id want more like £25-30/hour without knocker but then I wouldn't go without my machine so I would charge even more.

 

Also sounds like their trying to dictate to save cost and I would probably walk away from the job  

 

X2.  Your tractor and knocker will sit while you fight with the borrowed unit.  We charge close to Tepapa's labor rates, and I wouldn't want to work any cheaper.


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 05:42 am

thanks for all the advice and replies guys not that desperate for the work but not use to pricing by the hour dont want to work to cheap just would like a fair rate

If your not desperate for the work, you can set the price and terms and its up to them to agree or find someone else.
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Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:35 pm

I agree with tepapa, If I were you I would be saying no thanks and let them find a handyman to do it for those prices. Your in Sussex which is a wealthy area so its your way or the highway



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Posted 21 June 2017 - 09:42 pm

What starts out as a customer trying to cut costs ends up costing you in aggravation , time, personal and equipment wear and damage. I'd be taking my machine and bashing through the old gate post stumps to save the customer with my own machine. If a weld goes on the borrowed kit who fixes??
Walk away from the borrowed machine. I've had a few visits to Chiropracter in my parmeiter days. No need for the misery. If someone wants to do it by hand let them have it. Many a customer can watch you work giving top advice! But why aren't they doing it themselves?
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Posted 25 June 2017 - 09:16 am

What starts out as a customer trying to cut costs ends up costing you in aggravation , time, personal and equipment wear and damage. I'd be taking my machine and bashing through the old gate post stumps to save the customer with my own machine. If a weld goes on the borrowed kit who fixes??
Walk away from the borrowed machine. I've had a few visits to Chiropracter in my parmeiter days. No need for the misery. If someone wants to do it by hand let them have it. Many a customer can watch you work giving top advice! But why aren't they doing it themselves?

people (customers) really don't seem to recognise the direct link between professional machinery/labour and productivity/standard of work do they?!  i think id rather stay at home and tidy the yard then ever use a parmiter again. 



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 10:43 am

Just my opinion, the moment someone starts trying to cut costs before the job begins its a big no go for me. If they are being awkward and expecting something for nothing, they arent going to be an easy customer. They could have 3 months work for you, but if its three months of patching / scraping by on an hourly rate, is it worth it? Theres a better chance a price pm job will come up when you are already committed there and you will be kicking yourself. To me it sounds like they are after a 'handyman' who is cheap for a reason. Give them a price, and get paid weekly, or leave it well alone!


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