mole Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 One specification required by Natural England for erection of sheep netting. Quote "Erect a steel wire mesh fence at least 1.05 metres high. Use additional strands of plain or barbed wire where extra height is needed" I thought this 1.05 metres referred to the fence height not the mesh section. Foolishly I wrote to Natural England to clarify the use of standard 8/80/15 mesh plus extra line wires. Their reply was that a mesh wire of at least 1.05 metres is required. This is impossible to obtain and anything exceeding this size is double the price. Anyone else working to their specifications? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tepapa Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Sounds like the guy you talked to sits at a desk and doesn't know one end of a fence from another if you ask me. Although don't do any work for natural England so just guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
premnayloon Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 I'd bet he would have no idea I have the spec sheet for the forestry commission and it is 80cm high net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HullFencing Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 We did some natural England work last summer - it would seem they don't really have a clue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontrowfencing Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 I think you have got a duffer in the office. Depending on where the work is etc, the best bet is to try and find out who the project officer is. This will be someone from N.E. THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A CLUE, BUT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TALK TO THEM, DISUCSS options and try and get them to waiver on the spec. The posts they say must be used are ridiculous round here and not upto doing the job in most cases, yet when they spec it, people go out to tender on the spec and it comes back as a **** job. But explained properly some of them can be changed and made to realise cheapest isn't always best. I find their specs are stupid on the whole and things have moved on since they were written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Fork Fence Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 http://www.farmfencesolutions.com/product/titan-842-6/ 1.05 Meters = 41.3385 inches. This would have you covered, should you need taller net. Tornado makes plenty of net in fixed knot, S knot, or hinged joint that is tall enough to meet those specifications. Good luck with the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 nearest spec. from stock. R10-100-15 T10-100-15 boths in 100mtr rolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbell Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 From: Published: Last updated: Grant type: Land use: Tiers or standalone items: Funding (per unit per year): GOV.UK 1. Home (https://www.gov.uk/) 2. Countryside Stewardship grants (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants) FG2: Sheep netting Natural England (https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/natural-england) 2 April 2015 10 March 2017, see all updates Capital item (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants?grant_type%5B% 5D=capital-item) Grassland (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants?land_use%5B% 5D=grassland), Livestock management (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship grants?land_use%5B%5D=livestock-management), Priority habitats ( Uplands (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants?land_use%5B% 5D=uplands), and Water quality (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants? land_use%5B%5D=water-quality) Higher Tier (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants? tiers_or_standalone_items%5B%5D=higher-tier), Mid Tier (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants?tiers_or_standalone_items%5B% 5D=mid-tier), and Standalone capital items (https://www.gov.uk/countryside stewardship-grants?tiers_or_standalone_items%5B%5D=standalone-capital-items) Up to £100 (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants? funding_amount%5B%5D=up-to-100) Find out about eligibility and requirements for the sheep netting item. Contents 1. How much will be paid 2. Where to use this item 3. Where this item cannot be used 4. How this item will benefit the environment 5. Requirements 1. Keeping records 6. Related Mid Tier items 7. Further information How much will be paid £4.90 per metre (m).Where to use this item Available for Mid Tier, Higher Tier and woodland creation grant. Only: • in conjunction with a habitat management or creationoption or • in areas targeted for the reduction of water pollution caused by farming or • to protect environmental features Where this item cannot be used • on historic or archaeological features as identified in the HEFER • on a site where a fence has previously received a grant How this item will benefit the environment If successful there this item will protect environmental features from livestock. It will also help manage habitats. Requirements • remove all old fencing material before putting up the new fencing • use softwood timber that is fully peeled, coated with wood preservative and pressure treated, or treated with an approved preservative - untreated durable timber can be used as set out in the Forestry Commission guide to forest fencing • put up a steel wire mesh fence at least 1.05m high • use additional strands of galvanised steel wire (plain or barbed) if you need extra height • use straining posts that have a top diameter of at least 125mm, or are 100 by 100mm in crosssection when sawn • make sure the straining posts are 1.85m long if set in concrete and 2.15m long otherwise • place the straining posts no more than 150m apart if using mild steel line wire, or 300m apart for high tensile wire • use a straining post at every change of direction (horizontal or vertical) and at each end of the fence • use struts that have a top diameter of at least 80mm, or are 75mm by 75mm when sawn • make sure the struts are 1.6m if set in concrete and 1.9m long otherwise • notch struts into the straining post at an angle of nomore than 45 degrees • use intermediate posts that have a top diameter of at least 65mm, or are 75mm by 75mm when sawn • make sure the intermediate posts are 1.7m long and space them no further than 3.5m apart Page 2of 4 FG2: Sheep netting - GOV.UK 12/07/2017 https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants/sheep-netting-fg2 • make sure that all the materials you use meet the relevant British Standards (http://www.bsigroup.com/en-GB/standards/british-standards-online-database/) - examine copies of the most up-to-date standards for guidance Do not: • attach the fence to trees or hedgerows • block or restrict access to open access land (https://www.gov.uk/right-of-way-open-access-land/useyour-right-to-roam) Keeping records Agreement holders will need to keep the following records and supply them on request: • any consents or permissions connected with the work • receipted invoices, or bank statements where a receipted invoice is unavailable • please see the record keeping and inspection requirements as set out in the Mid Tier manual (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/countryside-stewardship-mid-tier-including-water-qualitycapital-items-manual) for more detail Agreement holders will need to keep the following records and supply them with the claim: • photographs of the completed work Applicants will have to send the following with theirapplication: • photographs of the existing site Related Mid Tier items This item can be used on the same feature as the following supplement: • FG4 - Rabbit fencing supplement (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants/rabbit-fencingsupplement-fg4) Further information See the Mid Tier manual (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/countryside-stewardship-mid-tierincluding-water-quality-capital-items-manual) or Higher Tier manual (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/countryside-stewardship-higher-tier-manual) or woodland creation grant manual (https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/countryside-stewardship-woodlandsupport#funding-for-woodland-creation-) to find out more about the scheme and how to apply. Published: 2 April 2015 Updated: 10 March 2017 + full page history Page 3of 4 FG2: Sheep netting - GOV.UK 12/07/2017 https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants/sheep-netting-fg2 1. 7 March 2017 Updated for 2017 applications. 2. 29 March 2016 Information updated for applications in 2016. 3. 14 October 2015 Update to 'keeping records' section. 4. 2 April 2015 First published. From: Natural England (https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/natural-england) Grant type: Capital item (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants?grant_type%5B%5D=capitalitem) Land use: Grassland (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants?land_use%5B%5D=grassland) Livestock management (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants?land_use%5B%5D=livestockmanagement) Priority habitats (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants?land_use%5B% 5D=priority-habitats) Uplands (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants?land_use%5B% 5D=uplands) Water quality (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants?land_use%5B%5D=waterquality) Tiers or standalone items: Higher Tier (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants? tiers_or_standalone_items%5B%5D=higher-tier) Mid Tier (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardshipgrants?tiers_or_standalone_items%5B%5D=mid-tier) Standalone capital items (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants?tiers_or_standalone_items%5B%5D=standalone-capitalitems) Funding (per unit per year): Up to £100 (https://www.gov.uk/countryside-stewardship-grants? funding_amount%5B%5D=up-to-100) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick66 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 just use ht\8\80\22 or similar. the spec says 100mm x 100mm strainers which is useless. I use tornado ht8\80\22 and its always been ok and has been checked by inspector so shows the don't know what they are looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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