stevew Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Any comment on the fencing article in this weeks farmers weekly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossco Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Why's that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tepapa Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Any comment on the fencing article in this weeks farmers weeklyWhat did u think Stevew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbell Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I went to buy the FW specially to see what it was, opened it up & saw Mike Fords ugly mug and knew it was going to be good info, mike's at the top end of the fencing game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevew Posted August 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Excellent article by a true professional that knows what he is talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampsvalleyboundaries Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I think it's a good article. Enjoyed reading it but think it's wrong where it says a box strainer isn't as strong as an angled strut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDRContracting Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 That surprised me too, I was understood that the box strainer was better. However the box uses the base of the straining post as its strength against pulling pressure and a strut uses the foot, which can be wider and pressing against more soil for support. I have had some movement on 8' strainers made as small h boxes (same as pics in our gallery) when using 4' horse nett but only rarely on stock nett. I was going to use big H boxes with 2 strainers for horse nett next time and see it moves, but perhaps a strainer strut (like mikes) dug in with a bearer is better & stronger? Any advice you guys have would be appreciated, we do more post and rail than netting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossco Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Box struts angled struts I was taught to use box struts in soft ground and angled strut in hard ground in soft ground I some time combine them starting with a box and strutting a angle off the box strut would post a pic but don't know how think Mike mite have a point though what do you boy's think I do tend to use more angled struts than box's because it's bloody hard down here got use them on deer netting though but that's where I tend to combine them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I've not read the article I'll get a secondhand farmersweekly this week... But Mike knows his stuff.. Regarding Boxs and Angle struts .. If you want to get really technical is all about physics and the Forces and resistance , I've got some drawings showing this from Sheffield university that a fella did for us years ago.. (We really are that sad) Basically the pressure on the net pulls parallel with the ground , trying to move the strainer forwards a Box ( if wired right) transfers the force back to the bottom of the strainer in effect trying to pull it out the ground at whatever angle the wires are, but there is more resistance than force due to the tonnes of ground its trying to pull it through.. When or if the force becomes greater than the resistance that's when the strainer 'pops'! With Angle strutts the force is transferd down the strut into the ground where again the resistance is greater than the force ( due to the tonnes of ground its pushing into) however with an angle strutt there is the Fulcrum effect to consider where if the strut angle is too great the force can lever the strainer out the ground . The optimum angle for the strutt is between 35/40degrees any greater and the fulcrum effect is increased and Any less angle = less resistance in the ground.. But f**k me wer gettin a bit over technical if ye strainers don't move and ye wires tight ..you must be doin ok so Crack on lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
premnayloon Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Any mention of the wedge system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossco Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Premnayloon what's the wedge system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossco Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Gary i do like your way with words lol ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
premnayloon Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 I've 'read the article and I have issues with his notch cutting for his stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
premnayloon Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 For me I'd be cutting a notch in the strainer that is just a graze out of the strainer, a stay mortice should act to stop the strainer twisting too, what he has done will not do that, There is nothing to prevent that stay being compromised by an animal rubbing against it sheep are particularly notorious for this. If I was to attach the stay in his way I would chap in a nail, much to my chagrin as I just hate nailing stays. I also read with interest about having a strainer separate from a gate post, Now I've no problem with the whole idea, but up here it is just not the done thing to add extra timber expense for one more strainer and the required rails. My customers just wouldn't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Fencin Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 I was taught the cross member in a box assembly (we call them H Braces) should be 2-2.5 x the height of your top wire. On a 4'fence that's a 8'-10'cross member. I was also taught that due to the geometry the 10' instead of 8' almost doubles the strength of the brace. If you take it to an opposite extreme, ever see some use 4' cross members? They jack out rather easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 This is all very well hanging gates off strainers but I have lost count of the amount of places I have been and had to re do gates as the chap before had wired onto the gate post, something had hit the fence, like a tree down and pulled the post back so the gate wont latch! Its against my religion to have wire anywhere near a gate post for this exact reason and if the customer moans then id rather not do the job. If the gate post is independent then all bar a bit of adjustment from time to time it will always work until the posts rot off or someone nicks it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
premnayloon Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Mikew that's your way up here you will see around 90-95% of gates are hung off the strainer, And totally see your thinking, But it's the same as box strainer, no one up here does them, it always the diagonal stay, It's really horses for courses, I wedge my stays none of the rest of you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Ben You are correct ... If say you had a box/ H Brace that's was only 2ft the angle of the wires would be pulling the strainer almost vertically out the ground. If the length of the box is increased the angle of the wires is less , trying to pull the strainer through more earth .. Therefore withstanding more force greater resistance .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D A MacDougall Fencing Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 So Ben You are correct ... If say you had a box/ H Brace that's was only 2ft the angle of the wires would be pulling the strainer almost vertically out the ground. If the length of the box is increased the angle of the wires is less , trying to pull the strainer through more earth .. Therefore withstanding more force greater resistance .. Basically the longer the H brace the better round about 3 m long . Use clever guy need to keep it simple for me I don't want to miss anything in the jargon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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